Thank you very much for the feature allowing users selecting their preferred locale. Very helpful for communities living multilingual realities!
Have you considered to allow users to define their preferred locale at registration time? This is the point of time when it makes more sense for a user to make that choice in order to discover the new community in their preferred language.
Offering selection of locale in the registration form would solve two related problems:
Discobot would send users its first message in their preferred language already. That makes Discobot cooler and easier to be understood by everyone. Currently there is no workaround for this, Discobot’s first message will arrive in the default language always.
Discovering the possibility of changing your locale takes a certain skill, especially when you are a new user, perhaps using a complex interface for the first time, perhaps in a language you are not very fluent. Users need to know that such feature exists and can be found in almost the very last corner of their user settings. This can be solved socially by adding the note in the welcoming topic, but it is suboptimal for various reasons.
Selection of a preferred language is basically a one-time choice. Registration is the right time for it. Implementation of this feature is probably not that complex?
I feel like we need a better copy for the instructions. IMO it shouldn’t exceed the width of the selectbox, but I couldn’t come up with a shorter one. Any ideas?
I feel like this is a tad too late, what if categories allowed you to set locale in category settings?
Then when anon clicks on a topic or category in such a locale the interface could switch locales and clicking register would already be in the correct locale which could be carried over
Why the registration form is too late? If the user reached that form is because they could find their way in the default language of the forum, which would appear as default also in the form (i.e. Russian if the default is Russian, not English).
I guess we have two fundamental types of potential multilingual Discourse sites
Support forums and similar international services or communities where you might find users from everywhere. Many unrelated languages can be expected, English acts as lingua franca, most users don’t know many of the languages.
Multilingual communities sharing territory or cultural background. 2-3 related languages can be expected, English might not be one of them, and most users can probably read all of them and speak/write at least one.
In the first case different languages will be probably structured and separate. Switching locales for anonymous users and proceeding with @sam’s idea might work well.
However, in the second case things may (and frequently do) get quite mixed, and frictions are not uncommon. Imagine forums combining Russian-Ukranian, Bosnian-Croatian-Serbian…, Finnish-Swedish, Catalan-Spanish, Arabic-French… Anonymous users could be changing locales click after click. There administrators might prefer to avoid tying categories or topics to languages altogether, because that promotes some kind of segregation. Imagine a proud Ukranian speaker that, after reading the last topic in Russian, is offered Russian registration in a (maybe proud) Ukranian community.
If you have any friends from these regions in Facebook, go visit their walls and you’ll see. I bet it can be the same for i.e. Hebrew/English.
To make it even funnier, it is not uncommon that users reading, say, Catalan/Spanish with native fluency still prefer English UI because they are used to it. Therefore, you may have communities producing no English content but still having users who will choose the English locale.
There is already a site setting (set locale from accept language header) which uses the browser’s Accept-Language HTTP header for anonymous users. I guess this could be used to set the initial value for the locale on the registration form and it might already set the locale during signup.
I feel like in many communities the category based “language” selection both solves a big problem with signup and leaves users with less choice which is great.
Involving Discobot in a multi lingual interface forum where people generally speak multiple language is a great way of introducing the concept of preference.
Whatever solution we come up with for signup should be more inline with what facebook do. Cause plenty of people on the planet have no idea what the glyphs “Language” mean. So how are they expected to even fill out the form.
Facebook sets their login form from the accept language headers. You have to clear your browser’s cookies to see it. A big difference between facebook and Discourse is that facebook doesn’t display content to anonymous users, so they only have to deal with the login page.
I meant that a combo box is kind of weak on the signup page. Instead a footer on the login modal that displays a list of languages (spelled in the actual language) is the way to go.
It does beg the question about how someone is going to even select “Sign Up” when they have no idea what those glyphs mean, which is why I am so uneasy about this.
I think automagically inferring language from the browser’s language setting is always preferable to what @icaria36 proposed, above, and we do support that via an experimental site setting, set locale from set language header
It utterly destroys anon caching though which is why it is such a dangerous setting and not enabled by default.
So maybe this request only matters in the very narrow case of people who are multi-lingual, and hitting websites broadly available in multiple languages, who say
Oh my browser says I am in France but I speak French, English, German, and Chinese and right now I prefer to use Chinese on this particular website.
Furthermore, the “explicit language set per category” thing is also extremely strong, and matches the topic @erlend_sh already set up about localizing Discourse for multi-language sites.
Maybe the anonymous cache key could be set differently for forums that require login to view content. It would require having login_required and possibly supported_locales available as Global Settings. It could be useful for customer support forums.
Getting real tired of the off-topic posts here and I will be deleting aggressively. So before posting any more replies, re-read the title and first post and ask yourself, “Am I sure I am posting something that is actually what this topic is about?”
Obwohl diese Anfrage fast drei Jahre alt ist, möchte ich meine Unterstützung dafür bekunden. Die aktuelle Lösung verwirrt meine nicht englischsprachigen Nutzer zutiefst. Die Anmeldeseite ist in der Sprache ihres Browsers, aber sobald sie sich registriert haben, wechselt die App trotz meiner Erwartungen an die App-Einstellungen zurück auf Englisch.
Das erwartete Verhalten, wenn die Einstellung Locale aus dem Accept-Language-Header übernehmen aktiviert ist, besteht darin, dass das Konto in der im Header gefundenen Sprache erstellt wird. Wie erstellen Benutzer Konten auf Ihrer Seite? Wenn Konten über SSO erstellt werden, wird dieser Ansatz nicht funktionieren. Bei der SSO-Anmeldung muss die Sprache im SSO-Payload festgelegt werden.
Um sicherzustellen, dass die Einstellung wie erwartet funktioniert, habe ich sie vorübergehend auf https://try.discourse.org/ aktiviert, die Spracheinstellung meines Browsers auf Französisch gesetzt und versucht, sowohl mit der Benutzername/Passwort-Registrierung als auch mit der Anmeldung über Twitter ein Konto zu erstellen. In beiden Fällen wurde die Sprache meines Benutzers korrekt auf Französisch festgelegt. Ich habe diese Einstellung auf https://try.discourse.org/ jetzt wieder deaktiviert.
Das ist die Ursache des Problems. Wenn ein Konto durch Annahme einer Einladung erstellt wird, wird die Spracheinstellung des Benutzers unabhängig von der Browsereinstellung auf die Standardsprache der Website festgelegt. Möglicherweise können wir das beheben.
Die Einstellung „Sprache aus dem Accept-Language-Header übernehmen“ erstellt ein Konto mit der korrekten Spracheinstellung, wenn sich ein Benutzer über die Schaltfläche „Registrieren“ auf einer Website anmeldet und das Registrierungsformular absendet. Es könnte möglich sein, dieselbe Logik auch dann anzuwenden, wenn ein Konto durch Annahme einer Einladung erstellt wird.
@simon, das wäre toll. Zum Beispiel schließen sich manchmal Absolventen eines französischsprachigen Programms unserer Community an. Ich weiß, dass sie Französisch sprechen!
Wenn ich also die Einladung sende, damit sie unserer Community beitreten, wäre es großartig, wenn ihre Standardsprache automatisch auf Französisch eingestellt werden könnte.
Es scheint machbar, das Sprachgebiet aus dem Sprachheader zu übernehmen, wenn eine Einladung angenommen wird, da dies eine ähnliche Logik verwenden sollte wie die derzeitige Registrierung mit Benutzername und Passwort.
Ich denke, dass Sie die Möglichkeit wünschen, das Sprachgebiet des Benutzers bereits beim Versenden einer Einladung festzulegen. Dies wurde meiner Meinung nach bereits zuvor angefragt. Ich kann nachvollziehen, dass dies für einige Seiten eine nützliche Funktion wäre, aber wir würden wahrscheinlich einige Seiten benötigen, die dies anfragen, bevor es umgesetzt wird.
site setting, 
