Recommendations for handling difficult situations

I’m in the process of coming up with some basic recommendations for Discourse owners and moderators, on how to make challenging moderator decisions in a sustainable, community friendly way.

Here’s what I have so far:

  1. Share moderation duties with multiple people. Having a single focal point for all mod decisions is fatiguing and can lead to undue flashpoints, and personal attacks. If there’s only one person in charge, is the forum “you”? What if you’re tired, or cranky, or in a bad place? What if you find yourself overly involved in a topic and want to defer moderation to someone else? That’s a dangerous path to be on.

  2. When you must ban, be decisive. Certainly give people another chance if they make a mistake, but then cleanly, decisively ban them. It is not your job to reform this person. You are not obligated to let them try over and over. You can keep the door open by advising them to email you in 6 months or a year if they want to try again. But the impetus to recognize the problem, apologize, and ask politely to try again – that is on them.

  3. Discuss bans, but not too much, and only in the right place. Please don’t celebrate bans or constantly bring them up, and definitely don’t clutter unrelated topics with ban conversation. Keep ban discussion in the “forum feedback” category.

  4. Keep heated moderation talk in private. If things are getting heated, remove that part from the public topic, into a private group message. Maybe even take it offline if needed, to email or voice. At minimum move it to the “forum feedback” category so other topics aren’t cluttered with off-topic moderation stuff.

  5. Take a break. Sometimes people just need to walk away for a while and take a break from the discussion. A short timed closure of a contentious topic, or a day suspension, might be in order. Avoid making hasty decisions in the heat of the moment, and discourage others from doing so as well.

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On the forum that I manage, we’ve found that being clear about the reasons why we do the things that we do makes the community more cooperative. If a moderator is perceived to be arbitrary, it causes problems. Of course that means we’re constantly iterating our community guidelines. But it’s not so often that we’re getting bogged down by rules.

When we have to impose sanctions, our default mantra is to set blasters to stun. Serious action like thread closure (our people don’t like to be interrupted) or suspension requires more than one pair of eyes to go through.

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That. 110%. Over at Stonehearth any “major” action that is taken is discussed by at least 2 staff and typically ends up being discussed by all active staff before taking place. We’ve taken advantage of the updated blocking feature, to prevent public posting while we chat quietly with a user. If necessary - and thus far very rare - we’ll go for a suspension. If the offense is clear, non-disputable, we’ll block without discussion, but that too is quite rare. The only instances where a single moderator would block without discussion would be an inappropriate username and/or profile image. Even when we had a clear spammer posting pornographic videos, (which were quickly flagged into oblivion), we didn’t delete the spammer until after a (brief) discussion.

Another focus for us is leading by example. Our staff is active in the community, and many users don’t immediately associate us as staff, just as a friendly user. We try to welcome each new user after their first post with a “hello and welcome” reply and be as friendly as we can. If a user posts in the wrong place, we’ll move it, and then post a reply explaining why. 95% of the time, users are appreciative, and this helps foster a friendly and helpful community. With this, most users will seek us out when they need help, and we aren’t some unknown being watching over the forums.

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回顾这个话题,我认为这里的建议依然行之有效。不过,我或许可以补充一点:

  1. 考虑创建一个 #site-feedback 主题,总结重要的版主决策及其背后的理由。 我们发现,在 moderation 中保持透明度对于社区的可持续发展大有裨益。久而久之,这将形成一本“图解规则手册”——具体列举网站上不受欢迎的行为类型及其后果。相关的讨论也可以衍生为其他 #site-feedback 主题,以进一步改善和提升您的社区。这就是我们的目标!
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我也想在此记录这一想法,因为它具有某种独特的危险性,无疑属于版主挑战等级的极端情况。


我在 Hacker News 上发现这段对话非常发人深省。

我认为相关准则对此表述得很到位:

随着话题的分歧加剧,评论应当变得更加文明和实质,而非相反。

这一准则的不足,以及大多数 moderation 工作都围绕其展开,正是问题及 tptacek 所言的“动态”得以存在的根本原因。

该网站筛选并“培育”出文明、讲理的种族主义者和厌女者(以及过度敏感的反应),就像医院培育出抗生素耐药性超级细菌一样。

我能理解“筛选”,但“培育”似乎有些牵强。除非你指的是在种族主义者和厌女者内部“培育”文明,那听起来似乎是有益的?

是的,主要是后者。这绝非有益——因为准则规定“不要做刻薄之人/明显的吹牛大王”,而大多数被点名批评的人,往往是因为触犯了这类行为。因此,那些适应了这些规则的偏执者,完全有可能(有时也确实)在网站上存活数年。

HN 的版主们投入了大量精力,并且在遏制人类更基础、更常见的“对陌生人 online 当混蛋”的冲动方面,取得了惊人的成功。他们制定规则、执行规则、公开羞辱违规者等等。在 HN 上,你被明确禁止当混蛋,人人都知道这一点。如果“不要做偏执者”也能获得同等的对待,这里的情况会好得多。全大写的用户以及违背 HN 原教旨主义引号崇拜的违规者,所遭受的公开谴责,甚至超过典型的“人类生物多样性”海狮主义者。

我从未这样思考过,但他是对的——当种族主义、厌女或偏执的论点披上表面文明的外衣时,其危害性要大得多。因此,只要我们教导人们……

嘿,只要用文明、讲理的方式表达,说种族主义/性别歧视/偏执的话也没关系

……我们实际上就在间接地制造更强大的种族主义者/性别歧视者/偏执者。这些人将免疫于那些不够老练的版主,后者只会看到:“嗯,这个人说的话在道德上确实令人作呕,但他们并不是用一种刻薄的方式表达的……"

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针对那些处于精神病理学谱系的人群开展的共情培训、“健康关系”以及非暴力沟通课程的研究表明,这些课程反而使他们成为更高效的……精神变态者。

这确实是社区引导者和Moderator所面临的一个极具挑战性的方面。

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值得考虑设立一个由小组主导的讨论版块用于 Moderation。这样,用户可以自愿选择参与讨论,而绝大多数用户则可以选择退出。

我们创建了一个“已登录用户”类别,以便轻松将讨论限制在信任等级 0,从而避免网络爬虫和其他匿名流量的干扰。

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这里有一些令人信服的数据,支持将最难缠的用户踢出去的观点。谢天谢地,这类用户非常罕见,所以踢出他们的劳动是值得的:

在审核内容时,留下关于为什么不良帖子被移除的指示牌很重要,而不是让它们凭空消失:

这两篇论文分别是“网络社区互动与冲突”(pdf链接)和“内容审核中的透明度真的重要吗?Reddit上内容移除解释后的用户行为”(pdf链接)。

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这个话题太棒了。我一定会把它分享给我的社区经理。 :grinning:

非常感谢你创建它!

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来自 Boing Boing 的关于善意 vs. 恶意发帖的详细描述,Boing Boing 拥有世界上运行时间最长的公共 Discourse 实例……如果有人知道,那一定是他们!

从版主管理的角度来看,“恶意”是指:

  1. 违反我们的社区准则。这是一个简单明了的规则。
  2. 发帖的目的是激怒社区,而不是参与讨论。这必然需要一种方法来判断用户可能不相信他们所说的话。
  3. 在多个话题中持续扮演“魔鬼代言人”的角色。我们已经有过几个恶意用户这样做——他们总是采取反驳的立场,专门为了激怒社区。
  4. 反复假装与话题有个人联系——用户不可能参与到每一个少数群体中,不可能做过每一件事,不可能每一个问题都与他们个人有关。我们也曾有过恶意用户这样做。
  5. 传统的“海狮”(sealioning)——进入讨论,要求讨论只能朝一个方向进行,并要求人们明确反驳他们的立场,同时驳斥所有其他观点。

版主指出,所有上述负面行为都应该通过举报 :triangular_flag: 来回应,而不是通过回复按钮!回复是一种鼓励,相当于你在说“是的,请继续,我喜欢这样”。

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这篇文章主要讨论的是吞噬世界的“一个网站上的所有人”:globe_showing_europe_africa:平台,而 Discourse 并不是为此设计的……但它很好地说明了内容审核的普遍危险,(当然是错误地)从“允许所有言论!”开始。

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太棒了!这是一篇关于社交媒体及其诸多问题的优秀且富有启发性的文章。谢谢你。:+1:

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