(btw, i am on the gimkit forum as eiqcrmeliutgwhc)
This sounds good… until you realize the badges we have. You could easily get badges by:
posting your invite in your bio or something
being the literal definition of a spam liker
doing the advanced member tutorial
…so this isn’t really a feasible option. What could probably work is manually promoting TL3s and if someone isn’t fit to be a TL3 in the mods’ eyes, you could just lock that user’s trust level to TL2.[1] Of course, if the staff isn’t active, no one’s getting promoted, but that’s more of a forum issue.
Fun fact: Badges don’t mean much. In the forum I made, the admins and I made so many joke badges (e.g. To the Moon! and Carrot). Anyways, I guess it could matter if you have Devotee, but would it matter if you have something like Great Share?
You also don’t need to lock every TL2’s trust level because most TL2s don’t make it to TL3. ↩︎
Well, most forums have badges that are earned via meaningful inclusivity, and like with the regular requirements, the leader ones could also be changed to fit the needs of the forum.
They would also be a sign of dedication from the user because a good leader should be dedicated to their community.
yea OK, but that is relative to your forum. there are plenty of forums out there where the badges are important not only to the users, but to the organizations that are running the forums.
It would be better if badges were not involved in this, but instead pick the top 3 most active regulars to be promoted as leaders, very active regulars know what happens in the forums
Solid information, evidence, and data would be needed, making elections and automation better in that they have either community support, the people who know them, or clean facts, saving time and sanity for staff and other people of position.
Wait, why would we need a whole plugin for TL4 promotions anyway? Can’t you use a poll? And if you need it to be private, just use the staff category or a category for mods (I forgot if the staff category includes mods in it).
Like, an election poll can be like this:
Next TL4?
Not justanotherperson, whoever that is
The guy in the green shirt over there
My water bottle casually chilling on my nightstand
Uhhhhhhhh
0voters
Of course, the poll would have legitimate options and not joke options in the poll. And you can notice that I’ve set the poll so only:
Well technically you wouldn’t need a plugin if your willing to do the promotion manually after the poll is closed.
The Op’s idea is to have it fully automated. Imho something like this should be manual to prevent potential abuses like vote manipulation, and to ensure that maybe people who might not be suitable to be promoted don’t get an upgrade they might abuse.
Automating things can be great but can also pose interesting challenges. Though maybe with the right AI implementation may help lessen potential problems.
Myself? I would maybe more use the old fashion method. Vet nominations then place suitable vetted candidates in a poll to be voted upon.
I did suggest AI and advanced computer systems, but it was “too much for Core.”
This is why some believe it should be added as a plugin instead.
I’ve actually encountered multiple plugins that take up virtually no space but are infinitely useful, and could just be switched on and off in the core.
This is why I feel like this should happen:
When someone goes to activate discourse, there is a list of two different types of features; general, useful plugins that are recommended for forums (Like the solutions plugin [1] and the currently-debated feature, automated TL4 Granting and Voting), and possibly unneeded features the Discourse can delete from your forum (automatically, the system does it).
If you select to install the plugin, it will skip right to downloading it, as it already might have the file in Discourse servers, skipping discouraging processes like downloading. The opposite is when Disourse deletes features. It doesn’t actually “Delete them” per say, but archives them. It would quarantine them, zip them, and store them to take up less space; this also would disable all of its features… If the owner of the forum really wanted to from there, they could Permanently Remove the feature/plugin, deleting it from the system. However, it would retain some reference information, so if they wanted it back in the future, they could re-install the feature/plugin without any hassle.
I feel like it should be a feature instead because of how useful it is that can be removed with the following steps ↩︎
Because to put AI fully in core. AI would need to be free as not everyone will use AI due to costs.
The concept best suits to be an optional plugin. Not something forced as many sites will not want this kind of promotion in their use case. Ie one example a company that is using it for employee company use.
This is where then we need to be careful with using the word “core” as that is features contained in the main Discourse without using optional plugins 5 components.
If this was implemented, would the system bot post the poll, or a moderator? Also, isn’t there a maximum of 20 options on a poll? And who would be on the poll? The regulars? And if there are too much regulars, who would be chosen? The user with the most days visited, or most likes or badges. Is this poll going to be automatic?
It would probably be a bot, for exact correctness. If it were a moderator, they could be biased, lazy, or forget entirely. This could be a special poll with more options, if need be, but I’m guessing this poll wouldn’t be normal anyway. The people on the poll would be the users with more than five user nominations, excluding themselves (you can’t nominate yourself), as well as all regular users. There can be certain exceptions for including and excluding, however. The poll would be automatic by default, with scheduling settings, but options to manually start a poll are present within the admin settings interface. There is no limit to the amount of nominated users as of yet, but this is subject to change.