Actually there’s a simple solution for that. Instead of removing the Reply button entirely on locked topics like we do now, we could show a “Reply as linked Topic” button there instead.
The editor would have to be able to recognise when the only option is to reply as a linked topic, so that there’s no way to toggle back to “reply-mode” when you’re replying to a locked topic.
The only downside I can see to this is that the Reply button is pretty noticeable, and depending on why a given topic was closed you might not want Reply as a Linked Topic to be emphasized.
But possibly this is a minor downside that could be moderation policy’d around.
Yes! This would solve my use case almost completely. I bet that reply-as-linked-topic is used largely when reply is not an option anyway. And this way it would be obvious. IMHO this would be a great idea regardless of these new gutter changes.
Maybe an option could be added to the regular reply to split it off when that’s what people wanted. Perhaps reply-as-linked-topic could become one of the small icons (with and so on) that could be controlled in settings.
As much as I think it’s not particularly … great UI, perhaps this is the way to go:
Where the default is “reply”, but there is a little drop down docked to the right of the reply button (a small hit target) that lets you select “reply as linked topic”.
I prefer this to @erlend_sh and @mcwumbly mockup of permanently adding it to the composer in the upper right, which gives Reply as Linked Topic way, way too much prominence in my opinion.
Google Inbox also kinda buries this function (anything other than “Reply”, really) behind a vertical ellipsis, which is how I think we should handle it too, more or less. This is a very rare action, it should not be prominent in the UI.
Do users truly not know how to cut and paste links between … well, anything on the Internet?
Is it that hard to get the link to a topic or reply, such that we need to make it a one click operation to create a new topic with a pre-filled link in it?
Is it really that common that a new topic needs to be created based on an existing topic? (Or, perhaps it’s only “common” if the topic is closed so no replies are allowed, and should be offered in that specific case?)
This would be a tough click target on mobile. But more importantly, we’d be adding a new button-element for a 1% action. Even flags are used more often than Reply-as-linked, and no one seems sad about flags getting demoted to the ellipsis menu.
I like the Google Inbox example. Couldn’t we just apply that to @mcwumbly’s old mockup? That ellipsis menu could also be used to toggle Whisper, Mod post and other such things that don’t belong in the formatting menu. We actually could use a new menu location for things like these.
We actually have a button there already on mobile. It’s used to toggle the formatting button on/off.
Here’s a quick mockup of what I’m proposing. We flip the position of these two buttons (maybe repurposing the gear icon to a vertical ellipsis), and add “Reply as linked topic” as an option in the top-right menu.
Mobile can’t do it today… So why worry about mobile right this moment, as today (on anything but the timeline branch), the reply to linked topic is in the gutter which mobile doesn’t see.
I’m not saying it shouldn’t be on mobile, just that, that problem might be best for another discussion another day versus getting back to what is currently available in Production sites, which is showing it on Desktop.
This is a very good question. The biggest reason I like it is for closed topics. But I think somewhere there is a suggestion for showing a dedicated button on closed topics to continue the discussion as a linked topic, which solves that problem.
I rarely see the use of it by our users, we moderators use it to discuss “problem” topics in a secure category every now and then, but to be honest, copying the link and pasting it, versus a click the link and change the category… are sort of a moot workflow (at least to me).
I wonder how easy it would be to write a Data Explorer Query to see how many regular users are using this feature.
No, probably not. Let’s just live without it for a while.
What I usually want to do is quote an existing topic when I start a new one, anyway. So I end up deleting the automatic “Continuing the discussion from…” text and link, and just let the quote be the reference.
I came up with a couple of queries. The one finds “Reply as” topics, the other both “Reply as” and “copied link” topics.
WITH op_posts AS ( SELECT id
, raw
FROM posts
WHERE post_number = 1
)
SELECT COUNT(id)
FROM op_posts
WHERE raw LIKE '%Continuing the discussion from%'
.
WITH op_posts AS ( SELECT id
, raw
FROM posts
WHERE post_number = 1
)
SELECT COUNT(topic_links.id)
FROM topic_links
JOIN op_posts
ON topic_links.link_post_id = op_posts.id
WHERE topic_links.internal
AND topic_links.reflection
I tried a bit to get them into a single query but gave up (for now)
On my localhost I got 15 and 28 - so about half and half
But of course I use localhost to test things, not real statistical analysis.
IMHO it would be good to get real statistics from a real forum and use those in judging how prominent the feature should be.
If you use badge_posts instead of posts that should exclude private categories.
Also, I did not come up with a query to find “Mod split to new” topics. i.e. those that member(s) should have started a new topic, but made off-topic posts instead.
SELECT COUNT(id)
FROM posts
WHERE action_code LIKE 'split_topic'
AND raw LIKE '%posts were split to a new topic%'
Granted, having a more visible “Reply as” probably won’t reduce off-topic posts much, but maybe.