Discourse not loading on legacy browsers

Ian_W · March 19, 2022, 7:13am

I am a user of community(dot)jenkins(dot)io (sorry can only post 2 links) which according to one of the admins, uses a Discourse instance sponsored by the official discourse group. Meta tag in the header/source says Discourse 2.9.0.beta2

At some between Monday and Wednesday this week (2022-03-14/16), the site no longer loads on legacy Android Firefox browsers. Specifically, Firefox Android 68.11.0. That is also evidently the core for other browsers like Waterfox, Silk browser on FireStick. Never been here before, but it doe snot load either. The page appears to fetch data for a few seconds, then blankness. “Request Desktop site” is also blank. “View Source” spins off to an abyss of nothingness.

I reported this on the Jenkins site and the admin has indicated this is likely, " because replaceAll is not available in Firefox 68." and provided evidence from Saucelabs at about 00:17 sec mark the error message.

Earlier this month a JavaScript change broke StackOverflow functionality (link below) for the second time on the StackOverflow/Exchange sites. They broke and fixed it once before in December and we sincerely hope they can revert that change and restore that functionality.

Interestingly, I fired up a WINXP PC running FF 52.9.0 ESR and notwithstanding the banner “your browser is too old to work in this site”, the site appeared to load fine, so it seems rather specific/esoteric.

I would ask Discourse team review what changes were made and if there is a way to mitigate this breaking change. I recognize nothing can be supported forever, especially when not in the scope of testing, but when it’s reported and if it’s an obvious fix that does not significantly impact operability, consider such. Not looking for all functionality, just some core functionality (at least read content).

StackExchange link: meta(dot)stackexchange(dot)com/q/376694

sam · March 21, 2022, 12:57am

We certainly always want to display at least a readonly view on old unsupported browsers. Breaking is rendering and only showing a white page is a bug.

We will have a look at this regression over the next week.

david · March 22, 2022, 11:28am

replaceAll is unsupported on iOS <= 13.3

This PR will add detection for this feature, and fall back to the basic HTML view if needed:

JammyDodger · March 23, 2022, 10:47am

3 posts were merged into an existing topic: Frontend on Prod Site Down – Ember/Test error

zogstrip · March 23, 2022, 3:29pm

Thanks @Ian_W for the report

We’ve now fixed the issue. This topic will close in a day.

Ian_W · March 23, 2022, 7:02pm

I can report only partial success on legacy Firefox on Android.

On both meta.discourse.org and community.jenkins.io I now see the “browser is too old” banner", same as on the WINXP PC running FF 52.9.0 ESR.

But there no topics, only the logo and the footer [Home … Privacy Policy].

On Jenkins site, I do see the Categories, categories description and “Topics” count, but clicking on any category, I again can’t see any issues.

Ian_W · March 23, 2022, 7:04pm

Falco · March 23, 2022, 7:29pm

I got meta.discourse.org to render the old HTML version in Firefox 40:

This should happen on all Firefox < 77.

Ian_W · March 23, 2022, 7:45pm

As noted, my screenshot comes from the Android variant. Site seems to work fine on a Desktop variant.

I have no idea how I can extract additional information from the FF Android browser to assist debug.

Falco · March 23, 2022, 7:50pm

Just installed the deprecated fennec Firefox 68.9 on my phone, and it appears to be working now:

Any ideas what I’m missing while trying to reproduce the bug?

Ian_W · March 23, 2022, 11:19pm

Well, I’m not sure what to say. I just took a factory reset Android phone, (running 7.0 'cos it’s an old phone), downloaded Firefox Android 68.11 APK, installed and navigated to meta(.)discourse(.)org ** and get the prior screenshot.

Then it gets weird. Goto meta(.)discourse(.)org/t/ ** and I get:

"Oops! That page doesn’t exist or is private.

But then I get a list of “Popular” and “Recent” topics and can see this very topic.
Clicking on the topic, I new see the topic title, plus “bug”, “pri-high” but no content.

**: 2-link limited post
(also can’t seem to upload screenshots via UI, so had to upload by reply, one at a time)

Ian_W · March 23, 2022, 11:54pm

Ian_W · March 23, 2022, 11:54pm

Wake · March 24, 2022, 12:24pm

Watching just in case someone comes up with a solution for using discourse on an iPhone 6 before I end up buying a new phone.

tutibins · March 24, 2022, 8:34pm

I’m having the same issue, as explained below:

Falco · March 24, 2022, 10:41pm

For iOS < 13 or deprecated Firefox Fennec on Android, we should be showing the HTML view.

However, we are failing to do that because there is no HTML view due to

github.com

tgxworld/discourse/blob/master/app/helpers/application_helper.rb#L224

      
        
            
            
def mobile_view?
              MobileDetection.resolve_mobile_view!(request.user_agent,params,session)
            end
            
            
def crawler_layout?
              controller.try(:use_crawler_layout?)
            end
            
            
def include_crawler_content?
              crawler_layout? || !mobile_view?
            end
            
            
def mobile_device?
              MobileDetection.mobile_device?(request.user_agent)
            end
            
            
def customization_disabled?
              session[:disable_customization]
            end

which is in our code base since forever.

Including the crawler content so we can fallback to HTML view is expensive, so maybe we want to add old Safari to

github.com

discourse/discourse/blob/main/config/site_settings.yml#L1629

      
        
              default: "trident|webkit|gecko|chrome|safari|msie|opera|goanna|discourse"
              type: list
              list_type: compact
            crawler_user_agents:
              hidden: true
              default: "rss|bot|spider|crawler|facebook|archive|wayback|ping|monitor|lighthouse"
              type: list
              list_type: compact
            browser_update_user_agents:
              hidden: true
              default: "MSIE 6|MSIE 7|MSIE 8|MSIE 9|Xbox|PlayStation"
              type: list
              list_type: compact
            crawler_check_bypass_agents:
              hidden: true
              default: "cubot"
            cors_origins:
              default: ""
              type: list
              list_type: simple
            keep_old_ip_address_count:

so it’s done only when necessary?

The other alternative being telling Babel to transpile replaceAll / finding a good enough polyfill.

cc @sam @david @gerhard

sam · March 25, 2022, 12:34am

Other alternatives I can think of:

Eliminate browser_update_user_agents altogether, use an IE6 compliant XHR request to get the content for rendering on these browsers on mobile. (disable javascript is already bust on mobile anyway)
Polyfill replaceAll
Include crawler content unconditionally (on mobile as well)
Same as (1) but leave the setting as a micro optimisation, fallback to XHR.

I am swaying somewhere between (1) and (3), (4)

Falco · March 25, 2022, 12:41am

3 is something I’m afraid we will have to do eventuality, as the number of mobile devices abandoned by their manufacturers will only increase over time. It will increase some server load filling the template, and enlarge our HTML size on mobile but IMO we should do it.

So I’d say we do 3 and investigate if doing 1 and 2 is feasible.

sam · March 25, 2022, 12:44am

We could flip stuff on its head, only enable the mobile optimisation on specific browsers, will let us still have this optimisation on 95% of the mobile traffic that hits us and still be very safe?

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