I think “Replies” is much more natural than column name than “Posts”, technically its simply “Posts - 1”, however its a far clearer concept to convey and it correctly calls attention to Topics with only 1 posts, cause 0 is a number that stands out.
Long term I think we should offer a “less loud” category style, the current rainbow of colors puts categories in a far more important bucket than the content, categorization feels secondary to title to me.
I feel the sea of avatars is a bit loud, not recommending changing it right away but I think it does add a lot of busyness to our front page
For me the more traditional topic title colors work better, I find they catch the eye and call attention to the title nicely
The simplified design is definitely a lot more “boring”, but I find working through very long lists easier with it.
I am really not sure about zebra striping anymore, I think its actually causing more harm than good, the subtle line works way better in my simplified design
Star should go, its just adding noise for almost no gain
I am not going to get into an “ago” argument again, but for the simplified design I would have preferred “1 hour ago” as opposed to “1h” the extra verbiage would have added clarity and there is room above the name.
I don’t think the “simple design” is better than our current design, I just think it is different, and perhaps more familiar to existing forum users. It packs less information.
Interestingly the “simple design” does not work at all any wider than 850px or so, which calls out to a need for some sort of auxiliary column to complement it (with faq or shoutbox or ads or whatever).
A very cool thing is that this is all achieved using the customize menu.
I really like the changes. You went back to some sort of square one, but it helps to see it in a minimal way so things can be re-added but carefully considered.
My suggestions would be to color the [categories] with css as the same color/style for the drop down in the upper left so there’s visual cues with the associated category colors already established. For the names, maybe we could take a page from the OP meta bar and style it in a similar fashion so avatars still can be seen, since most use the avatar as a quicker visual cue than text. Like this:
That way there’s only two avatars to each topic list item. The OP and the last reply. Instead of what we have now which includes five avatars instead of just two. Not to mention the OP meta bar already has this information (who has participated in the discussion so far).
It’s good, but you’ve gone from being avatar heavy to being text heavy in kind of a nonsensical way. People process images (particularly of faces) much faster than names so I think most of all I’d recommend replacing the user names with images, would be less text to process.
Yes, that is the gist of my reply, I am glad you agree. Same for category colors. I think those should come back as well for the same reason. Otherwise, I like @sam’s edits. It’s a nice re-start to add things as absolutely necessary.
To me a huge goal here is to make stuff more extensible, ultimately I do not think the “simple” design should replace what we have now. I do think we need to cull out stars and quieten down categories in our default view, but ultimately there are different types of consumers for Discourse with different needs.
As you simplify, you lose information, which may be desirable to some communities and not desirable for others.
If a community say moved from years on phpbb or what not to Discourse it may make sense for them to use a “simple” design. If a company has a need for an aux column it may make sense to use a “simple” design. Long term I hope the “wizard” you use to setup Discourse allows you to select between a few themes that cater to different groups.
I do hope there might be a howto in the near future on ways to go about editing the theme’s hardcode ‘gracefully’ without breaking it in the future with an update to the core. I think if users are given a push in the right direction on how to hack the theme to their liking, then there might be less of a brouhaha with people requesting the removal or addition of elements on the current ui, such as was the original topic at hand. (And if there is a definitive howto on this, I need to find it!)
EDIT: Just noticed @abarker’s reply in the original thread, which is stating the same. (requoting here as ref for this new thread)
I second this too. Even though I understand and respect the goals behind discourse UI design, the looks are something there can never be a strong consensus on because Discourse is in my opinion already very refined and quite spot on.
While codinghorror sees the minimalistic view as less readable and prefers avatars over usernames, I personally think the small avatars are nothing but irritating noise, and some people might argue that avatars should not be used at all while others might want more and even bigger ones.
My professional opinion is, despite sounding shallow or giving the impression that “i’m not getting it”, these issues are effectively matters of taste, so making customization easier also brings the prime ideas of Discourse closer to both admins and users that are not yet comfortable with Discourse.