Thème simple de Sam

:discourse2: Résumé Sam’s Simple Theme propose un design de liste de sujets « minimaliste »
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J’y ai beaucoup réfléchi, et j’ai décidé de tenter une personnalisation de la page d’accueil « minimaliste ».

Pour sélectionner ce thème ici sur Meta, rendez-vous sur votre profil : https://meta.discourse.org/my/preferences et sélectionnez le thème. (n’oubliez pas de cliquer sur enregistrer)

Voici la liste des choses que j’ai faites

  • Supprimer les Vues
  • Supprimer l’étoile
  • Se débarrasser des images d’avatar, utiliser les noms à la place
  • Diminuer l’importance des catégories
  • Utiliser des « couleurs plus traditionnelles » pour les liens de sujet
  • Utiliser « Réponses » au lieu de « Messages »

Quelques conclusions de mon expérience :

  • Je pense que « Réponses » est un nom de colonne beaucoup plus naturel que « Messages », techniquement c’est simplement « Messages - 1 », cependant c’est un concept beaucoup plus clair à transmettre et cela attire correctement l’attention sur les Sujets n’ayant qu’un seul message, car 0 est un nombre qui se démarque.

  • À long terme, je pense que nous devrions proposer un style de catégorie « moins voyant », la gamme actuelle de couleurs place les catégories dans un bucket bien plus important que le contenu, la catégorisation me semble secondaire par rapport au titre.

  • Je trouve que la mer d’avatars est un peu trop voyante, je ne recommande pas de la changer tout de suite mais je pense qu’elle ajoute beaucoup de désordre à notre page d’accueil

  • Pour moi, les couleurs de titre de sujet plus traditionnelles fonctionnent mieux, je trouve qu’elles attirent l’œil et mettent bien en valeur le titre

  • Le design simplifié est définitivement beaucoup plus « ennuyeux », mais je trouve qu’il est plus facile de travailler avec des listes très longues avec celui-ci.

  • Je ne suis vraiment pas sûr du zébrage (lignes alternées) maintenant, je pense qu’il cause plus de mal que de bien, la ligne subtile fonctionne beaucoup mieux dans mon design simplifié

  • L’étoile devrait disparaître, elle n’ajoute que du bruit pour presque aucun gain

  • Je ne vais pas rentrer dans une dispute sur le « il y a », mais pour le design simplifié, j’aurais préféré « il y a 1 heure » plutôt que « 1h », le texte supplémentaire aurait ajouté de la clarté et il y a de la place au-dessus du nom.

Je ne pense pas que le « design simple » soit meilleur que notre design actuel, je pense juste qu’il est différent, et peut-être plus familier aux utilisateurs de forums existants. Il contient moins d’informations.

Il est intéressant de noter que le « design simple » ne fonctionne du tout pas au-delà de 850px environ, ce qui souligne le besoin d’une sorte de colonne auxiliaire pour le compléter (avec une FAQ, un chat, des publicités ou autre).

Une chose très cool est que tout cela est réalisé en utilisant le menu de personnalisation.

PRÉREQUIS

Sélectionner le style de catégorie « liste à puces » dans les paramètres du site.

Paramètres

Traduction Défaut
replies Réponses
last_post Dernier message
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Great work @sam sounds good! I really like it

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I really like the changes. You went back to some sort of square one, but it helps to see it in a minimal way so things can be re-added but carefully considered.

My suggestions would be to color the [categories] with css as the same color/style for the drop down in the upper left so there’s visual cues with the associated category colors already established. For the names, maybe we could take a page from the OP meta bar and style it in a similar fashion so avatars still can be seen, since most use the avatar as a quicker visual cue than text. Like this:

That way there’s only two avatars to each topic list item. The OP and the last reply. Instead of what we have now which includes five avatars instead of just two. Not to mention the OP meta bar already has this information (who has participated in the discussion so far).

It’s good, but you’ve gone from being avatar heavy to being text heavy in kind of a nonsensical way. People process images (particularly of faces) much faster than names so I think most of all I’d recommend replacing the user names with images, would be less text to process.

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Yes, that is the gist of my reply, I am glad you agree. Same for category colors. I think those should come back as well for the same reason. Otherwise, I like @sam’s edits. It’s a nice re-start to add things as absolutely necessary.

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Here’s a quick try at adding avatars :baby:

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I would retain the usernames here, not entirely sure I want the avatar for creator, but regardless usernames should stay.

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For what it’s worth, I used @sam’s screenshot and did a little shopping:

You can also style the OP meta the same way as another column next to that.

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I personally, I much prefer the avatars to usernames – if you are shooting for minimalism that is the way. Also, the word by does not need to be repeated over and over on the page, and can be removed.

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Taking off from @purldator’s mockup:

  • A little color for the categories via an fa-tag icon.
  • Remove OP name and timestamp from under the topic titles so they are easier to scan

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I like what you did with categories, but removing op is a step too far imo, also avatar seems a bit big to me.

To interject for some clarification, we are talking optional CSS etc. here and not changes to the Core?

To me a huge goal here is to make stuff more extensible, ultimately I do not think the “simple” design should replace what we have now. I do think we need to cull out stars and quieten down categories in our default view, but ultimately there are different types of consumers for Discourse with different needs.

As you simplify, you lose information, which may be desirable to some communities and not desirable for others.

If a community say moved from years on phpbb or what not to Discourse it may make sense for them to use a “simple” design. If a company has a need for an aux column it may make sense to use a “simple” design. Long term I hope the “wizard” you use to setup Discourse allows you to select between a few themes that cater to different groups.

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That’s my doing and mostly the shop’ was meant as a proof of concept, not so much a solid final draft. I’d be okay any which way the avatar’s size may become in the end.

Its a mish-mash topic now, which is kind of confusing to everyone.

The default core changes being discussed are:

Merge star and bookmark, do away with stars in topic list
Replies vs. Posts (also here)
Quieten down categories
Color choices

But ultimately there are 2 distinct views being discussed here,

  1. A minimal view
  2. Our default view

Thing is that it is not, colors are hardcoded into a style tag on an element, styling categories now is very hard and requires patching of discourse core.

Interesting, didn’t know that. Hmmn.

I do hope there might be a howto in the near future on ways to go about editing the theme’s hardcode ‘gracefully’ without breaking it in the future with an update to the core. I think if users are given a push in the right direction on how to hack the theme to their liking, then there might be less of a brouhaha with people requesting the removal or addition of elements on the current ui, such as was the original topic at hand. (And if there is a definitive howto on this, I need to find it!)

EDIT: Just noticed @abarker’s reply in the original thread, which is stating the same. (requoting here as ref for this new thread)

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I second this too. Even though I understand and respect the goals behind discourse UI design, the looks are something there can never be a strong consensus on because Discourse is in my opinion already very refined and quite spot on.

While codinghorror sees the minimalistic view as less readable and prefers avatars over usernames, I personally think the small avatars are nothing but irritating noise, and some people might argue that avatars should not be used at all while others might want more and even bigger ones.

My professional opinion is, despite sounding shallow or giving the impression that “i’m not getting it”, these issues are effectively matters of taste, so making customization easier also brings the prime ideas of Discourse closer to both admins and users that are not yet comfortable with Discourse.

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I think replacing them with names makes things just as busy, just in a different way. A wall of color looks better to my eyes than a wall of text.

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I do think this is a Great idea :wink: more more adaptable

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